• mightyfoolish@lemmy.world
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    Even if Trump says no, Harris should at the very least discuss her opinions and views on camera. It could just be a single person question and answering, a debate other Democrats, or debating a third party candidtae if they don’t want to back other Democrat candidates. Leaving Harris a mystery is the worst thing Democrats can do.

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      This! Do the debate whether he shows up or not. It will expose him for being a massive pussy

      I know it’s hard to believe sometimes but people are slowly realizing what he is. All of my Trumper family are now apolitical all of a sudden lol

      Works for me!

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        pussies are tough. he’s a ballsack: quite sensitive, shrivels up in cold weather, and prone to premature ejaculation

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    All joking aside, you have to assume they’re going to challenge her candidacy and eventual legitimacy in court. Debating her is not only politically ill advised, but also a tacit agreement that she’s a legitimate candidate.

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        Keyword: “was”

        People can drop out of races and I’m honestly jealous to have such a inconsequential problem. It doesn’t matter who you are running against if you base your campaign on policy instead of shit-flinging.

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    He is afraid of strong, smart women. He is afraid of people who can laugh. And he is deadly afraid of ending up losing the debate and the vote to a black woman, the kind of person that should in his mind be as inferior as a bug.

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    “There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone ‘better.’ Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds,” the statement said.

    This is a statement from a presidential campaign.

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      Trumpism at its “finest”. Still, Obama’s call for an open convention does open exactly this kind of attack. I’ve certainly BIPOC talk about it as a typically “not really culturally BIPOC” move from Obama that betrays his predominantly white cultural upbringing. Sometimes unity is better than whatever else you have in mind.

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        Reporting has been he will endorse her relatively soon, now that it’s clear she has the votes to win.

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            He might have been saving it for a boost later, maybe at the convention, but this idiotic shit forced his hand. He and Michelle endorsed today.

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              He might have been saving it for a boost later

              Yea and the support for an open convention may have just been rumour. Or at least a hand wavy stance from a couple of weeks ago.

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      I said this in deeper reply, but I think it bears repeating, so I’m quoting myself here:

      Because what it says literally doesn’t matter, it’s just a perfectly crafted stew of buzzwords to stroke the right. We have to stop reading this shit as normal language and start understanding the code they use. It’s just about saying Obama, in their eyes an evil black muslim terrorist (hence HUSSEIN), still holds sway over the democrats, meaning the institution as a whole is infected with his evil muslim blackness, and is acknowledging Marxism, the big bad enemy of good Christian values, in a way that simultaneously aligns it with party ideology AND presents Kamala as an even-greater looming threat. This isn’t nonsense word salad, it’s meticulously crafted fearmongering to the ignorant party base whose lack of literacy they have cultivated by design.

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        I made a similar comment above.

        You missed the attempt at a subtle dig at the Democratic party by calling them “the Democrat party” (https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/ )

        They love to see shit like this because when they see those (fucking stupid) terms used, they get to feel like they have some kind of secret, inside knowledge. For a brief moment, they get to forget that they’ve alienated all of their friends and their entire family over this, and get to feel like they’re part of something.

        But only for a brief moment… As a single tear drops into his Healthy Choice frozen microwave dinner and he turns on Duck Dynasty.

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    “There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone ‘better.’”

    One thing I learned from the Bush II Admin was that you can run on stirring up rhetoric for a while–worked well enough to make him a two term President–but at a certain point, your policies have to align to reality or you will have catastrophic failure. There are also levels of making shit up, and the statement above might be more making shit up than anything Bush II ever pulled.

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      Listen, I may not like the Marxists but I’ll settle for any communist tradition at this point barring MLs and their intellectual descendants

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          Thanks, it’s what you get when you’re a syndicalist who marries a mutualist. My issues with Marx are intellectual. My issues with Marxist-Leninists are why I’m afraid to come close to starting to win a revolution with them anywhere near behind me.

          Frankly I’d rather fight the capitalists than people who disagree on how the workers should control the means of production. Political pluralism shouldn’t be a casualty of the revolution.

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            As a Trot, albeit a reluctant and undogmatic one (I think), I also am terrified of winning a revolution with MLs in the mix. They love to talk about how no anarchist/trotskyists have ever had a “successful revolution” and its like no shit you killed them all and took power in the name of socialism.

            Curious about your intellectual issues with Marx. No one is above critique, not asking to jump all over ya. I have some criticisms of Marx, namely that he spent the end of his life not finishing Capital and instead working on ethnography and trying to chart a path to socialism through Russian peasant society, and like I’d rather he’d have finished one of those instead of not finishing any of it. His work on ethnography would be really useful to anarchists and mutual aid networks: Anarchist Marxists, how cool would that be? But instead we just have his volumes and volumes of notebooks.

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              My main issues are that he blatantly misrepresented Proudhon. I also think that he largely overestimated the inevitability in a way that’s been harmful to communists.

              And there absolutely anarchist Marxists, I just fall more along mutualist lines

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                Well as someone who couldn’t get through the Poverty of Philosophy, despite having read lots of Marx including Capital: that’s fair. He was really gunning for the Young Hegelians. I thought his critique of Stirner was really good, and his debunking of Bauer was essential. But I didn’t get into PoP. Maybe some other time. He was too optimistic wrt how capitalism would create “gravediggers.” I think its an actual thing that happens, it happened to me for example, but he underestimated ideology, or maybe like over estimated the way capitalism would change people’s consciousness.

                You’re right there are individual anarchist Marxists, I study with one, but I guess I was referring to something more like a movement. I guess the Kurdish liberation movement kind of qualifies? Maybe my views are too west-centric.

                Any recommended Proudhon I should read? Maybe take on Philosophy of Poverty before trying Marx’s response again?

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        He was presumptive though

        Now it’s like if Trump actually wins a debate vs her then someone else would just win the nomination

        Really no motivation for his side to do it

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            Idk what to tell you other than read this again

            Now it’s like if Trump actually wins a debate vs her then someone else would just win the nomination

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    If it was any other, normal country, the debate schedule would not be based on whether someone wants to show up or not.

    If a canditate doesn’t show up, the other candidate gets to talk about their campaign.

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      The US is bizarro world in so many aspects. Political Supreme Court appointees that are appointed for life (!), two party system, the electoral college, the absurdly long election cycles…