I don’t care if China steals my data or uses my router as a vector for a DOS attack at this point. My fascist nation already has domestic back doors to spy on me if I was interesting enough. My opinion of China is roughly the same as my opinion of my own red white and blue shithole, about as low as you can go. In fact, their regular people on the street seem a hell of a lot more prosocial and EMPATHETIC than I’ve ever seen here in the US going by Rednote. I’m on nobody’s side geopolitically because nobody is on my side.

Besides, we destroyed ourselves already. Checkmate CCP! Have fun spying on the ash heap. Spoilers: we’re largely poorly educated here by design, so enjoy the stream of "…evolution is just a theory science is fake education is a scam pull yourself by your bootstraps stop virtue signaling it’s not greed I’m rationally self-interested… "

I think thematically over the trilogies, it’s laid on pretty thick that the Jedi beaurocracy of titles, ranks, and arbitrary rules was their downfall.

Qui-Gon was the last remnant of the Jedi as they were always supposed to be until Luke, nomads that communed with and furthered the will of the living force, who couldn’t care less about being deemed a Herp derp “master.” Such a title is literally kind of Sith like in its arrogance with the implication of mastery over the force rather than a humble facilitator of its will.

I’m genuinely shocked it was taken down at this stage in our self-destruction

That’s literally like half of marriages.

Sorry, you’re stuck with hoards of people our economy has made too poor to get citizenship elsewhere. Shitty country run by selfish oligarchs. 🤷

(sorry I don’t know the artist)

Maybe we should double down on capitalism again.

It’s the only move the US has used in living memory.

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Id say their lead is over.

Im enjoying all the capitalist oligarchs losing their minds over Deepseek destroying the piles of money they were already counting in their heads. It’s not much, but it’s something.

Their unhinged need for growth/metastasis to to feed their ego scores is unquenchable and ending the world.

It’s tragic we won’t physically stop them via revolution. We are cowards that mistake this quiet slaughter for peace. The planet will have to do it for us, and take us and a lot of innocent surface life with them.

Same page club, except the vague hope.

Honestly the vague hope was keeping me at my lowest until I learned to understand and completely accept that our world is ending by our own hands, detach from being on the human team, and just gawk at the freak show of the exploitative macro-cancer monkeys that we are with gallows fascination.

This is the same thing comedian George Carlin bragged about doing to find peace in his later years, BTW.

When you remove trying to root for us to be not horrible, we are a spectacular and peculiar thing to behold, a remarkable evolutionary oddity, like Pandas. Like how are we the apex predator?! It’s nuts and hilarious.

Chinese people seem pretty happy on Rednote.

They mostly empathize with us Americans for our life of economic struggle for our wealth class in exchange for nothing but Subsistence.

They’re confused as to how it’s allowed to happen. They thought a lot of true horror stories about our health insurance murder industry and living paycheck go paycheck statistically unlikely to be able to cover a 400 expense was their government’s propaganda, and are horrified it’s not.

It’s amazing how many protections non-wealthy people have there.

I now completely understand why our government doesn’t want us having casual conversations with actual societies of people, as opposed to capitalist slaughterhouses like we are here in the US. Mooooo…

Also their cars are so high tech ours are in the stone age by comparison. No wonder they can’t sell them here, they’d eat our lunch. App controlled call the car to pull up to you, captains chairs that power rotate into new configurations, on and on.

This is a good example of the “If you regulate/tax business, they’ll just leave and you’ll be sorry!” Ayn Rand fallacy.

All this means is that their business model was to gouge consumers, and being barred from gouging cheap internet for their poorest customers revealed that they were (and still are everywhere else) bad faith, dishonest, antisocial actors that have no interest in providing products and services for a reasonable margin.

Just as with any business that would exit a market, or billionaire that would leave the country to prevent taxation back into the commons that facilitated their wealth accumulation to begin with (a preliterate workforce, roads and utilities they disproportionately degrade with heavy use, etc) you demonstrate that you work against your own customers and your own people, so by all means, gtfo.

Our oligarchs want us to compete to the death for their ever dwindling relative to inflation and productivity scraps, but they’ve grown too powerful to tolerate competition themselves.

Not when they’ve gone to all the trouble of normalizing monopolies and duopolies at home.

Agreed on all counts my friend, and best of luck to you as well.

From my perspective, being disloyal to my country’s attempts to monopolize the information I imbibe, and being counted as part of that mass movement directly is again more important than also rejecting receiving the social media of another evil empire that, again, would simply be seen as patriotism/nationalism/nothing at all. It doesn’t actually meaningfully benefit China, but it does very publicly, as a movement of people not just me, work as a demonstration of undermining the authority of the evil empire I do have some tiny insignificant influence in.

They’ll ban it of course, and there will be another one. And that continuous “We don’t respect you or your authority because you arent on our side” does over time diminish the misplaced faith some still have in our captured institutions. Unfortunately signing up for Lemmy over reddit’s greed or some scandanavian social media doesn’t send the same message.

It has to be an enemy evil empire for the powerful of our evil empire to take notice and be concerned at all. Otherwise, it’s akin to “protesting” with a permit at a designated protest zone out of the eyeline and profit operations of those you’re protesting, aka masturbation.

China is and has committed genocide.

The US is and has committed genocide.

That’s not a point in either’s favor. That’s a moral wash.

I’d rather both nations failed, so something more humane can potentially take its place (and revolution over and over until that happens) but as an American, rejecting China means nothing, just as a Chinese citizen rejecting America means nothing.

Rejecting evil empires begins with undermining the one that you’re expected to support and be a loyal cog of. A Russian openly hating America or a Chinese person openly hating Russia is indistinguishable from patriotism/nationalism.

I can only hurt one empire materially, the one I materially live within. The Chinese have to reign in China, and the Russians Russia. The best I can do is my part not to strengthen or support the evil empire I was born under to the best of my ability.

Not with a ten meter cattle prod for me, anyone willing to indulge Zuck’s midlife Nazi crisis deserves him.