This is up there for one of the best shows ever made. Damn near perfect television. And it completely elevates all the existing Star Wars content that surrounds it. Rogue One is so much more impactful now. ANH feels like the culmination of a grand series of events rather than the start of something.

I just want to layout the in-galaxy timeline here:

Day 1: Lonni accesses Dedra’s files and learns about the Death Star and imminent raid on Luthen.

Day 2: Lonni leaks the Death Star intel to Luthen. Luthen kills Lonni and gives intel to Kleya. Luthen destroys his comms network. Dedra raids Luthen’s, resulting in Luthen’s hospitalization. Dedra is arrested by ISB. Kleya raids the hospital and kills Luthen.

Day 3: Krennic questions Dedra. Cassian, Melshi, & K-2SO rescue Kleya (killing Heert) and bring her to Yavin IV. Bodhi defects from the Empire and brings Death Star/Galen Erso intel to Saw Gerrera.

Day 4: Partagaz commits suicide. Cassian meets Tevik on Kafrene and learns more about the Death Star.

Day 5: Jyn Erso is busted out of prison and brought to Yavin. Tarkin takes over the Death Star from Krennic.

Day 6: Cassian, Jyn, and K-2SO travel to Jedha. They get Bodhi’s intel. Tarkin tests the Death Star by destroying Jedha, killing Saw.

Day 7: Vader summons Krennic to Mustafar and threatens him. Rebels raid Eadu, destroying the base and killing Galen Erso.

Day 8: The Battle of Scarif. Full Death Star plans leak. Krennic dies. Empire’s first real military defeat. Vader captures Tantive IV and Leia. 3PO & R2 escape to Tatooine and get picked up by Jawas.

Day 9: Uncle Owen buys R2 & 3PO. Leia is interrogated by Vader and interrogation droids.

Day 10: Luke meets Obi-Wan. Lars homestead is destroyed. Luke, Obi-Wan, Han, Chewie, and the droids escape Tatooine w/ Death Star plans. Tarkin questions Leia and destroys Alderaan.

Day 11: Raid on the Death Star. Leia escapes. Vader & Obi-Wan final showdown. Falcon is tracked to Yavin.

Day 12: Battle of Yavin. Tarkin dies and Death Star is destroyed.

Think about it from the Empire’s perspective. Just 12 days after the first hints of the Death Star even existing leaks the Rebellion manage to destroy it. They were working on that thing for nearly 2 decades in secret. Then almost the moment it’s discovered it gets destroyed. The Rebellion must look so incredibly competent and powerful compared to the epic string of fuck ups from the ISB.

And think about it from Palpatine’s (and Vader’s, although less-so) perspective considering the Force. Palpatine kept this under wraps for 20 years. Then the fact of its existence leaks. 10 days later Obi-Wan fucking Kenobi shows up on the Death Star w/ 2 of Anakin’s old droids and Anakin’s son to rescue Anakin’s daughter (although I don’t know if Palpatine knew that Leia was related). 2 days later, Anakin’s son destroys the Death Star.

Palpatine has to be freaking the fuck out over this. It has to feel like Force powers beyond his control are orchestrating all of this. Like the Force itself is conspiring to bring him down. We saw how paranoid and back-stabbing the Empire is in the final 3 episodes of Andor. Imagine how much that’s gonna ramp up after the Battle of Yavin.

Gilroy said the original plan was for 5 seasons. Once they sat down to start working on season 2, though, they looked at the calendar. They did the math on when season 2 would come out, then on how long it would take to make all 5 seasons. They decided that none of them wanted to be working on the same project for a decade+, so they decided to cut it down to 2 seasons.

Where did you hear about him butting heads with execs? From all the interviews I’ve seen, it seems like the exact opposite was the case. It sounds like Kathleen Kennedy, specifically, ran interference for Gilroy to let him do pretty much whatever he wanted.

Andor s1 and s2 got greenlit and budgeted right about the time Disney+ first came out. At that point, Disney was trying to produce as much stuff as they could to be Disney+ exclusive to fill their catalog. That’s how Andor got such a large budget and how Gilroy got such a free hand to do whatever he wanted. I’ve never read anything about execs trying to reign him in with regards to creative control. The only limitation I’ve heard was a budget one about wanting to do an episode of K-2SO as a horror monster rampaging through an Imperial ship.

I did read your comments. I lost any and all respect I could have ever possibly had for you when you used AI to formulate a comment.

You were the one using AI, goober. Stop.

No, that would absolutely ruin Lemmy. If I learned that any sizeable portion of the accounts were bots, I’d quit.

Only losers and goobers use AI to make their argument for them. Try thinking like a real human.

If the writers want to tell a story focused on inter-personal relationships, that’s perfectly fine. There are PLENTY of people who enjoy that kind of thing. They just don’t tend to be the same type of people who enjoy post-apocalyptic sci-fi puzzle-box shows. I don’t know why you go through all the trouble of creating this expansive world and lore only to focus your show on character dynamics that aren’t centered around the conceit of the show.

If you’re going to build this complex world, let us explore that world!

Not a movie, but a TV show. Revolution.

A sci-fi post-apocalypse show where the premise is that all of a sudden all technology (specifically anything that uses electricity) just stops working and nobody knows why. The show takes place 15 years into the apocalypse. The US has Balkanized into various regional states (although you don’t learn this until later). Some regions have devolved into chaos while others have basically reverted to a steam-punk type of society. Since all modern ships use electricity, they’ve begun to revive large ships from the age of sail. The remnants of the US military at Guantanamo Bay eventually return to the mainland and try to reestablish a much more explicitly authoritarian control over the US. You eventually learn that what caused the global blackout was the creation of a self-replication nanotech which rapidly spread across the planet and shut off all electricity.

Great premise, but it got too much into the soap-opera CW-style of writing and didn’t last more than 2 seasons.

That is an apt criticism of TFA and TRoS, but not TLJ at all.

Try printing the email to a pdf?

I’d definitely take that document to a local lawyer (preferably one that specializes in labor cases) and ask if there’s anything there.

By chance, you aren’t in a union, are you? If so, take this to your union rep, too. You’re union will have lawyers who will deal with this sort of thing.

First thing to ask is what state you live/work in? Is it a right-to-work state? If so, then they can fire you or choose to not promote you for no (reported) reason at all, which very likely means you have no legal recourse. If they were to come out and directly say in documented way that they will fire or not promote you if you don’t use this app, that might be different. You’d need to talk to a lawyer who is familiar with laws in your state. But you’d also need documented evidence of this, which means emails sent stating this, or a recording (keep in mind if your state has 2-party consent laws) of a higher-up saying it.

If you’re in one of the 27 Right to Work States, though, there’s likely very little you can do about it short of finding a different job.

I don’t think it’s a distraction. I think it’s people who are too bought in on conspiracy theories and desperately want there to be some kind of spy thriller conspiracy to uncover. They just really want the world to be less mundane and banal than it is, so they latch onto a single thread while ignoring the overwhelming weight of evidence.

I think calling it a distraction is itself a conspiracy theory. Who is orchestrating this distraction? What are they supposedly distracting from?

Yeah, technically, the Jedi Order could train anyone, but they have a strict minimum midichlorian count. Haha.

There’d be a whole industry of “alternative medicine” products that supposedly boost your midichlorian count for official tests. Haha

“It is an energy field made of all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, binds the galaxy together.” —Obi-wan Kenobi, A New Hope

That’s why I think this is more of a reversion of the lore than a change or expansion. In the OT, there’s never any suggestion that only Force sensitive people can use the Force. People, including Luke and Anakin, are described as being “strong with the Force,” but that implies that others are weak with the Force.

It was the Legends EU which really created the idea that only certain people born with an innate connection had the ability to use the Force at all. Within this framing, the vast majority of people in the galaxy are simply not Force-sensitive and will never have the ability to use the Force. Among those who are Force-sensitive, the degree to which one can use the Force depends on your innately born connection to it. So someone like Luke or Anakin had very little (if any) upper limit to what they could do with the Force because they had a very strong connection. While others (like Tionne, one of Luke’s earliest students in Legends) had a very weak connection to the Force, but were still Force-sensitive in a way someone like Han Solo or Lando Calrissian never could be.

I don’t believe this is the lore that Lucas ever intended for the Force. I believe his intention was what I described above: anyone can use it with proper training, but some have a better natural inclination.

I think this is more getting at the expansion (reversion?) of the lore we saw in Ahsoka with regards to Sabine Wren. Its not that there only certain select people are capable of using the Force. Everyone is connected to the Force. Everyone has the potential to use it, but you have to have the right mindset/focus to do so. For some, those we call Force-sensitive, that just naturally comes more easily to them. For others, they have to train and work at it.

I think of it like making music or drawing. Everyone has the potential to make music, but some people are just naturally more inclined towards it. Some people can just pick up an instrument for the first time and play it well without practice or training. Others can still learn to make very good music, but they have to train and practice a lot. An elite music school could train anyone, but they’re going to seek out more naturally gifted people.

I’m guessing this Force healer (like Sabine) is in that latter camp. She doesn’t have a natural aptitude for the Force like Luke or Obi-Wan. But she learned how to tap into a certain aspect of it to help heal.

But it’s a side of the force we haven’t really seen much of.

I think we’ve seen hints of it. Chirrut Îmwe in Rogue One is in the same vein. Clearly force sensitive, but untrained. The lesbian cult in Acolyte has more training and focus, but clearly not Jedi or Sith. We also see the little kid at the end of TLJ who uses the Force to levitate something, but isn’t trained.

I think seeing Andor was rage and lashing out at the man who set him on the path to losing his religion, as it were.

It’s partially that, but it’s also a little spark of hope in Syril after having his whole world ripped away.

Remember, he believed he was sent to Ghorman to root out outside agitators. He thought his ISB believed people like Andor were active with the Ghorman Front, and that his mission was to hunt down and expose them. Then he had the realization that was a lie the whole time. That, really, he, Syril, was the outside agitator. That he had been played by both the ISB and his own girlfriend into astro-turfing the Ghorman Front into something militant enough to enable the genocide of Ghorman. He has his entire world shattered.

Then he saw Andor in the crowd. That was a sign that his whole mission hadn’t been a front. There really were outside Rebel agitators. Not only that, but it was the very guy Syril had been so dogmatically chasing and hunting for so long. Like you said, Andor was the man that set Syril on the path that inevitably let him to Ghorman. Now it turns out (as Syril is suddenly believing) that Andor was also the person he was hunting on Ghorman this whole time. In Syril’s mind, he’s now realizing that Andor has been at the center of everything important (in Syril’s mind) he’s ever done in his life. That’s why the “who are you?” line is such a gut-punch. He’s obsessing over Andor. He built his whole ideology and world-view around the myth of Andor (and people like Andor) Syril kept in his head. Only to learn this guy doesn’t even remember him?

I think Syril’s rage and attack on Andor was Syril trying to redeem himself in some way. Like, if I can just bring in proof that this outside Rebel agitator really was here, that the Ghorman Front really always was the militant force the Empire is now making them out to be, that Syril could convince at least himself that he wasn’t so directly responsible in their genocide.

Am I the only one for whom the Force healer bit didn’t really work well? I’m just rubbed the wrong way by some Force-connected character talking about Cassian having some pre-ordained purpose. I prefer Cassian to be some regular guy who stood up to fight than the Special Boy selected by Space Magic.

Otherwise, this was amazing. The Ghorman massacre was so well done. My adrenaline was pumping the entire in the lead up to, during, and the escape from Mon Mothma’s speech. The hotel clerk delivering the “Rebellions are built on hope line” was perfect, and Cassian giving that line to Jyn in Rogue One now has so much more impact. Also, the line in Rogue One about the Senate being told Jeddha was a mining disaster has so much more significance after seeing Ghorman.

Syril’s death was the most satisfying fascist death since Inglorious Bastards. He had EVERYTHING ripped away from him. He realized that he WAS the outside agitator he thought he was trying to hunt the whole time. He learned his girlfriend knew they were setting up a genocide the entire time and was just using him. He learned the Empire is exactly as evil as he had always denied it was. He was a True Believer in the Empire in every sense of the words and had that true belief ripped away from him. HE personally played one of the largest roles in making the genocide happen. Then he finally found Andor, who he had been obsessing about for YEARS. Then the “who are you?” gut punch right before that fascist fuck got got. Chef’s Kiss Couldn’t have happened to a worse fellow.

I hope we get more Saw in the final arc.

No, and based on reading your incredibly rude response to people trying to answer your question in an Ask community, you clearly don’t understand what “proto-” means.

Get over yourself. You’re not better or smarter than everyone else. Yes, the PT both mirrored and predicted IRL events. That’s what good social commentary does. And, yes, you could learn the lessons taught in those movies through other media or history, but the same could be said about tons of stuff. You could say literally the exact same thing about Andor, which is deservedly getting a lot of praise right now.

Every generation needs fiction that speaks to them and meets them where they’re at. Maybe you could learn the same things taught in the PT by watching something else or reading about history. But that’s not as accessible and engaging to everyone, especially the children who the PT was geared towards. Get off your high horse and recognize that not everything needs to be perfect or groundbreaking to have a genuinely important contribution to society and culture.