• bss03@infosec.pub
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    3 days ago

    If you think urban planning has anything to do this how I get to the grocery store, you aren’t facing the problem.

    The population density of the EU is 106/km2. The population density of my county is 22.4/mi2 (8.64/km2).

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      In a small European town, you get on your bike, travel two blocks through zero red lights, and arrive at a cozy corner shop that has everything you need for lunch and freshly baked bread. If you don’t have a basket on your bike, you just walk there instead.

      The gigastores we associate with groceries in the USA are a product of our car culture. Someone has braved the highway ramps, so they need to bring back a big haul in their large trunk. Of course, that also leads to food being wasted as we buy in bulk and let it expire.

      Citing population density is just exemplifying the planning problem. You can look at Australia’s population density too, but it’d be disingenuous to include the large outback - which no one settles into, because why would they. Same question for America’s pointlessly broad frontiers, where everyone just seems to want to get away from each other.

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        Population density is relevant here, I’m not grabbing a lot of extra uninhabited territory to make the number bigger, I’m just using the smallest organizational unit that includes all my weekly trips.

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        I’m not trying to get groceries from a gigastore. This grocery store building has been there since I was a child in the 80s and while it is bigger than the store my father used to run, it’s less than 20% the size of the WMT supercenter down the road – half the size of the grocery section of that “gigastore” (it’s not a max size supercenter). But, it is the closest produce section. You can be shelf-stable stuff from the dollar store(s) much closer, but I do sometimes need produce and I’d rather shop at this locally-owmed location than the chain dollar stores. (I don’t even this they are franchises, just corporate owned.)

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      This is exactly the problem that urban planning is meant to solve. Our specific US problem may not have been solved YET but that doesn’t mean it can’t be. As an engineer, one of our sayings is “anything can be engineered, it just depends on how much money you have”. So for this problem, it’s more about our communal values: if we decide as a community to value public transit and pedestrian friendly urban planning, we put our community funds in those areas instead of centering cars.