I like (no) how everyone knows this is about everybody’s mental health but you can only push things these days if iT iS aBoUt cHilDrEn or other touchy topic. Apparently adults can’t have mental health issues I guess, otherwise how will they do their jobs for cents
You’re absolutely not wrong, but I think they’re making the case that it’s like tobacco or gambling which society kinda agrees is stupid but allows adults to have the freedom to indulge in. Honestly I think it’s a good comparison.
It is a good comparison, but it goes to show how the framing of individual freedom supremacy warps any discussion about the collective. As soon as you hit “freedom age” magic number, suddenly you can’t hold accountable the powers at play anymore.
To an extent, but it’s also not like tobacco or gambling are wholly uncountable in the way that Meta largely is. I would be much happier with companies like Meta if their products at least came with a warning about potential for addiction/depression etc. When they pretend they are places to “connect” and have “friends” it feels kinda like if a casino was allowed to present itself as an “investment opportunity”.
They’re about 17 years too late. There’s nothing left of Facebook to be addicted to. It’s a terrible little site that forces content on you that you have no interest in, no way to block categories, and is all basically stuff stolen from other sites that is already 3 weeks old. Facebook is a fucking garbage fire of its former self.
I assume they’re talking about Instagram which is owned by Meta.
Well, it’s not like IG is all that popular with The Kids™ either
It is. Among literal children, TikTok and YouTube wins because it’s easy to consume without a real social network.
Among teenagers, though, Instagram goes hard.
Since 2014-15, TikTok has arisen; Facebook usage has dropped; Instagram, Snapchat have grown
I honestly don’t know how I’ve ended up believing teens and the early 20’s had ditched IG
That is patently false. Im 20 and everyone I knew in high school had an IG account. In college now it’s a coin toss between IG and Snapchat.
Not to be an ass, but youre 20 so you arent one of “The Kids” anymore lmao. Youre an adult now. I think your point definitely still stands though. Im only slightly older than you and when I was in highschool virtually everyone had IG, Snapchat and Twitter. I dont talk to anyone in the highschool age bracket but I think they probably still use IG/Snap/Twitter (or X if you prefer).
I said I’m 20 because it’s been only 2 years since I experienced that. My brother who is 17 has an instagram.
p.s., saying “not to be an ass” doesn’t suddenly make anything following that not sound like you being an ass.
Being 20, I’d assume they have friends who are younger than them, and therefore are well and truly in touch with what “the kids” are doing.
Huh, I’d somehow ended up with the belief that it’d gotten less popular with younger folks
It got less popular as an image sharing tool. Some people (myself included) used it for photography still but most people used it as social media and for texting. A lot of people I knew had Instagram accounts with 0 posts but extensive stories and who were part of huge group chats.
Ha, ok. I don’t use IG much; I follow a few animal-related accounts and use it pretty randomly. My running joke is that the influencers I follow are all raccoons.
I wasn’t even aware it has a messaging feature before a friend of mine said something like “hey I sent you a message about XYZ on Instagram, didn’t you notice?” and I was like “…Instagram has messaging?” 😅
I’m the last person who would leap to Meta’s defense, but I gotta ask: how, exactly, does one draw the line between a service being addictive and one that’s just well designed and pleasant to use?
I wouldn’t want this lawsuit to discourage quality web design.
I can’t give you a clear answer, maybe bots? Something is “missing” here on Lemmy, as somedays I spent as much as 8 hours on Reddit, whereas I spent 30 min at most per day here on Lemmy. It feels like Lemmy is mostly informative for me and not so much entertainment. But good riddance, I have so much more time to read books now!
Any good recent reads?
Well designed service and addictive are completely different concept.
Addiction is not about how likely you are to use something and if you like doing so. That’s naïve.
Okay, I have no problem admitting I’m naïve on the subject. If I guessed wrong, though, what is addiction about? It’s hard for me to imagine getting addicted to something you aren’t likely to use and don’t like.
Sure, I can see people changing their mind about something once they’re already addicted, but that’s not the same thing.
You can decide to use something because you like it and have a positive value for you, and then end up abusing that same things because of addiction.
Facebook and other social media actively engineer their service to exploit our natural brain functioning in order to became addictive. On top of that, they also give well designed services which can be useful and fun to use. People decide to use those services because of that and ends up becoming addicted and using them for a lot more time. This has nothing to do with good design.
It’s like with smoking: people can find it a legitimate pleasure because of the taste, the social meanings and the gesture, but you ends up being addicted because of the nicotine, not because it’s a pleasure per-se.
This is an oversimplification, but do you think drugs don’t feel fucking fantastic? Like, how would they hook you if there wasn’t something about them on the first dose? Facebook does it by dopamine hits and confirmation bias, but the pathways are not far off.
Did you mean to reply to me? You’re kind of asking what I’m asking. I wouldn’t imagine there’s a “first dose” if the website is shitty and annoying to use. Instead of dopamine, wouldn’t there be bad memories and unpleasant associations?
Sorry, had a long day and parsed your comment as the opposite of what you meant.
There are plenty of information and even research onto the deliberately addictive design of Facebook.
There are more and better articles out there that I have read but this is one that I can find right now.
